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I Built an AI Agents Army with OpenClaw to Run my $28k/mo Startup
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The entire thing that you are seeing here, none of it is built by me. I did not even know something like this can be done by just talking to Telegram.
SPEAKER_00This is Banu. He built and sold Feather to Tibomaker for $250,000. Then built PsyGPT to $18,000 MR and now built an AI adjustment army with OpenCloud that works 24-7 to help him reach the goal to make 1 million ARR with SciTR. So like everyone just collaborates with each other, they share uh uh findings of each and every if you don't know what OpenCloud is, then you will probably be blown away like I was. And if you know what it is, or if like me you just installed it two days ago, then this episode will show you what's possible when AI agents start working together towards one goal.
SPEAKER_01It actually signed up as a user, it went through how to create a chatbot, it figured out the entire flow, mapped it out, and then told me that okay, these are the points the conversion might be.
SPEAKER_00So, Banu, I'm super excited to have you today because you are a serial SAS shipper, you did uh fever that you sold for $250,000 to Tibomaker, you built Side GPT to 18k MRR, and right now I wanted to have you because you just built a mission control HQ that just reached 10k MRR. But I think the amount of money you made is not the main point first congrats, but I think the main point is that you jumped on a new trend that is open cloud, but for me it's not a new trend, it's something huge, and I want to talk about that with you today. I want to talk about uh open cloud. So, can you just explain first what mission control HQ does?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so so like like everyone else, I started uh trying to like I started seeing uh everyone uh talking about this new thing uh called CloudBot. So at first I just ignored it, uh just like okay, this is just another uh uh okay, some new tool that came in. But one day I just uh like I was just curious and uh I just uh tried to like everyone was uh buying Mac minis uh to install uh uh like CloudBotter. So I thought, okay, I also want to buy it, but before buying it, let's try what it is to see uh what can I do with it. So that's when this all started. So once I started using it, it's it's like like it's so much, so much better than anything, anything else I have uh used before. Like it has so much autonomy uh uh than anything uh that I have seen before. So I started using it a lot. Uh I started building subagents. Uh uh my main open claw, it's getting confused with everything I have been saying. Uh like I talk about uh my personal life, I talk about my business, uh, uh coding, marketing, uh, uh sales, like like I I do uh I write uh SEO articles using that. So I I do so many things. So like the context is getting all messed up, or it uh it forgets because I'm talking about so many things. So that's when I thought, okay, is there a way I can create multiple open claw agents? Uh uh one uh like each one for each special role. So for example, one agent uh only does uh keyword research, one agent only does the email marketing. Uh so I wanted to create these specialist agents and make them talk with each other. So that's what I did. I created uh a bunch of uh agents and made them talk to each other. But what ended up happening is um I had no visibility into it. Like I don't know what they are talking with each other. So that's when I thought, okay, uh let's build a dashboard uh where uh like that dashboard uh would act like a central knowledge base for uh all the agents. So everyone will only uh write to that uh uh dashboard, and uh like that's where the all the conversations happen, so that now I can also see the dashboard, like that's what uh ended up uh becoming uh mission control.
SPEAKER_00That's amazing. So I have so many questions about it. First, is that for you having one specialized task by agent is the way to go with open cloud. How do you structure that actually?
SPEAKER_01So like it it all like uh like I figured out that uh uh like this open cloud, it's it's it's so powerful. Like you say something, it will be able to figure it out. Like it will uh uh research uh web, it will read code. Uh it it it has so many uh tools uh to make use of uh to figure out uh what you want it to do. It can even update its own uh uh config uh uh to make it work. Uh so I thought okay, like it can do anything. So I said, okay, uh read uh entire uh open cloud documentation and figure out uh how to create uh a new agent uh uh uh that uh you can uh talk to. Uh so that that's how it started. It read the entire uh documentation and told me, okay, this is what we need to do. And uh yeah, it went from there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, do you talk to all the agents separately, or do you have one person that you talk to, which is like the head of all the agents?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I just talk to one agent. Uh like I have set up one agent uh that I talk to from Telegram, and that agent uh communicates with everyone else. Uh so I only give instructions to my lead agent, I call Jarvis, and then Jarvis uh created all these uh other uh agents and then uh uh assign work uh uh like takes care of everything else.
SPEAKER_00Okay, and last question to understand a bit, and then we will come back to the beginning. But how does it help you every single day to actually reach your 1 million AR goal?
SPEAKER_01So, like it it gives me the exact uh uh like actionable things to do. Like, for example, it figured out that uh uh like I was getting a lot of traffic. Uh like for example, I was getting around 50,000 visitors a month, but uh only 50 people are uh starting a free time. Uh so it figured out that conversion rate was not good. So then it uh created an agent which can go through my entire uh website. Like it actually signed up as a user. Uh it went through how to like uh create a chatbot. Uh like it figured out the entire flow, mapped it out, and then told me that okay, these are the points where uh the conversion might be breaking. Like, for example, on the pricing page, you only have one testimonial uh uh or something like it it will tell you the exact uh steps uh I need to take. Uh and it it says that okay, I signed up uh, you did not send me any email. Uh so you don't have an onboarding sequence. This is the onboarding sequence you need to create. Like this is the first email, this is the second email, this is the third email. You need to only send this third email if this and this condition uh uh like happens, like it will give me the entire thing that I need to do uh to get uh to that uh goal. So it would it's it's it's very very comprehensive in that manner, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I installed it yesterday. I chose another method, I just bought uh Mac Mini. It took me like three hours to install it. When everything was set up, my reaction was in between crying and smiling at the same time. I was like, honestly, what the hell is that? Because same way as you say, is like I just gave a few links on my business, I didn't give like too much context, and it finds straight away one thing in my business that should have focused straight away, and then it changed the entire website, gave me a new website, gave me a lot of ideas, gave me a lot of insight. I've been working with it for like 24 hours, and so far I'm blown away. The only thing that I hate is like hitting the rate limit, and I want to understand more about like you know how to install it, what safety protocol I should have, and all of that. But first, I wanted to test uh to have a testimonial, like share my testimonial because this is insane, like this is Chat GPT level of insane. Like, you know, when ChatGPT arrived and you were like, Wow, that's crazy! Like this is I think really really crazy. So let's go back to the beginning. Um, I am watching this podcast, I have no idea what we're talking about. How do I even like start with OpenCloud?
SPEAKER_01Uh so uh so now there are many uh uh hosting platforms uh who are providing you uh with a one-click install. So, for example, I saw uh like DigitalOcean has one uh uh Railway has one. Also, where uh like you don't have to know anything, uh you just go to their platform, click a button, and then uh open open clock gets uh installed on their uh server. So that is the most easiest way for anyone uh uh to uh actually try using it. So even today, uh my OpenCloud instance, it's on a server. Like I haven't installed it uh yet on my own uh MacBook. Uh so I wanted to like try first and then okay, if I like it, then I will install it. But now I like it so much that I can't delete it and then reinstall it again because it it has tuned itself uh uh to like all my context. Uh uh so now if I have to do it all over again uh uh so like that's why I just uh upgraded uh that server and uh that's what I am using now.
SPEAKER_00So, as someone, if someone wants to start tomorrow, what is the mistake that you should avoid at the beginning when you install it?
SPEAKER_01Uh I think uh I you I won't install it on my own personal computer. Like that is something uh even if I install it on my personal computer, uh I would create a like a virtual Linux virtual machine uh and then put it inside there. Uh so like that is uh that is one thing uh like I would suggest okay, don't use it uh on your uh computer because it can do anything, like it can run commands, uh, it can change uh anything you want. And if you don't know what it's doing, like it it might become okay, you you it it has access to everything you have. So that's why it's it's always better at least until you know what it's capable of to start on a separate machine, uh uh like a server or uh or like a different uh computer that you don't use. Like that's what I do. So even when I gave it access, I created a new email uh and uh gave it access to that email. Uh I so like that's what uh I would do. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think this one is a really smart one. I got this one from Alex Finn, and creating a Gmail account to your OpenCloud enable you to just like give him also his own way to create, like uh, for example, he created a notion this morning, like went on notion, created a notion, and then invited me in this notion to actually share document with me. And that way he can delete everything he wants on this notion, that's what he created, but at least he doesn't delete my own notion. So I think as you say, it's a good way first safety is like create the own Gmail account to um your bot. What else should I be careful about when creating it uh safety-wise?
SPEAKER_01Um I think uh like uh like security-wise, it has gotten like a very good now. Uh so like if you like uh to just run uh uh open claw, so there there is a very detailed uh documentation on uh uh what to do and what not to do. Um so now now even if you run a command open claw doctor, it will show you what all problems uh you currently have. It will give you suggestions on how to fix it. Uh it's it's as simple as running that command and uh uh like just uh following the suggestions uh that it gave you. So previously when I used it, I don't think it was uh as uh as good as it was today. Uh but uh yeah, that's what I would do. Uh running OpenCloud Octor and uh fixing everything that uh it tells you to fix.
SPEAKER_00Is there any prompt, like the best prompt to give at the beginning, or did you hear anything about that? Did you have a good one? Or is it something you can come back to uh after that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't have like a particular prompt. I saw something on Twitter, uh, but uh so what I did is I I just uh uh saw a tweet from someone. I don't exactly remember who posted it. I just gave that tweet to Jarvis and uh and I also gave it uh that documentation link, uh like that security page, and told it, okay, based on all this, uh do you think uh we should change anything uh in our uh uh setup? Uh then it gave me like a few steps uh uh like uh closing a port, uh uh adding a token auth. Uh like it gave me a few steps and just asked me, okay, should I do this, should I do this, should I do this? Uh and then uh I it it uh covered uh everything else. I didn't have to manually go and do anything.
SPEAKER_00And you said so now you created your open cloud, you gave it a name, you gave it a prompt, you give access to a few things to actually give him the direction or what you actually want it to do. Uh when does mission control HQ come? Like why did you create that and how can it help me every single day?
SPEAKER_01So it it's mainly uh like I wanted a structure. Like right now, all my conversations are in my Telegram. And uh uh like the context switching, it it's it's it has become very difficult. Like one time I will say, okay, count uh the calories uh uh in what I'm eating, and the next minute I will say, okay, go and uh fix this bug. Uh and then the next minute uh it's a completely different thing. Like uh, what uh integration should I build? Uh what uh article should I write? Or something like, okay, I want to do a case study. Who is the best customer uh that I need to reach out to? Uh what kind of questions do I have to ask them for the case study uh to be actually uh like good to have? So, like all these things, there is a lot of context switching uh that kept uh happening there. So that's when I thought uh okay, they are like I need uh so many of these uh jarlesses. Uh I can't do everything with one. So that's when I create like I asked it uh, okay, I want to create multiple Open Claw instances and uh make them talk to each other. I only give you tasks and you you assign this task to whoever you think you think is uh uh better fit for this. So that's how like it all uh started.
SPEAKER_00So I'm I'm a huge beginner in that, you know. I'm like I I was yet yesterday old when I started. Um can you explain me why? I understand why, but like what is it? Did you have like a visualization of what's happening? For example, a little 3D visualization of Jarvis and his little Jarvis was what who are working? Did you give a name to all this little Jarvis? Like, how did you do that? Like, how that how is that structured?
SPEAKER_01Uh structure of uh all the other agents? Yeah, like I want to visualize like what you do, like uh, you know, is there like uh maybe I can share my screen and show you like how it looks so yeah, like this is uh uh uh what I uh asked Jarvis to create. So it created uh a bunch of agents. Uh everyone has a a special role. For example, take uh uh brute, right? So it is a retention specialist. So what it does is it only checks everything, like it's like a a customer monitor. It reads all the customers' emails, it goes through all our uh Slack, it figures out uh uh like when okay, tomorrow, like in one week, uh this customer is going to churn. Uh, figure out why they are not using your product. Or something like this customer was using uh uh like uh he has a lot of activity last week, but this week it was uh like there was no activity. Uh send them an email asking what happened, or uh like like the the entire uh goal of uh uh this agent is uh okay, how do we increase retention? So like it it uh creates uh it is doing a lot of tasks uh uh related to this. So for example, let's take one example, right? Yeah, so like it created a task called uh at-risk customer identification framework. Uh so how do how do you figure out whether a customer is at risk? Uh so this is what it came up with. It said that okay, if the query volume drop by greater than 50%, uh you give 25 points to them that uh they are uh like at risk. If they have zero queries for seven consecutive days, uh give them 30 plus points. Like it it came up with an entire framework uh to figure out uh how like uh whether a customer is uh at risk for churn or not. So similarly, like I have uh so many agents uh who are doing uh a different uh task. Like if you see, right? Like uh yeah, yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00To understand, like, because I I was doing wrong, uh I was doing it wrong because like for me, I was asking it like to you know, do this task, then do this task and remember it. But instead of that, you create one avatar, one little mini Jarvis for one task. For example, today I connected it to my podcast X account, and on this one, I said, like, okay, you um check the other competitor, what they do with podcast, uh the template they use for their post, and you will post three posts a day. This should be one mini Jarvis.
SPEAKER_01Uh like not necessarily, like uh you can just use one uh Jarvis to do everything. Uh but uh like I had so many tasks to do. Uh uh like uh I wanted it to do coding, I wanted it to do marketing, I wanted it to write articles, I wanted it to do email marketing. Uh like I had so many tasks. Uh so now it's like uh like Jarvis just uh stops responding when it was when it is doing a task. So that's when I figured out that okay, in OpenCloud, there is a way for you to create subagents. Uh so I asked Jarvis, okay, you should always be available to me. Uh whenever you have to do a task, create a subagent and assign that task to that subagent. So that way, every time there is a long task that it has to do, it creates a subagent first, assigns that task to that subagent, and then it uh does it uh so that way it responds to whatever I am asking. Uh so uh like when but it ended up uh like I had no visibility into what's happening. Like what are uh I don't know uh how it is creating something. So I I created this dashboard so that uh like everyone I can see what uh all everyone is. I even have a group chat here uh to see what all agents are uh talking about. Uh like okay, Fury uh like this is a research agent. Uh they figured out uh something, uh then uh like other agent will jump in and say that okay, you can use this in that I already pushed fixes uh uh to my GitHub, uh PR is ready. Uh and then uh it is like another one said, Okay, we need to create use case pages for this. So like everyone just collaborates with each other, they will share uh uh findings of each and everyone else, and then uh like it's like they have a single mission, they will do everything in their power to talk with each other and uh figure out how to get to that mission.
SPEAKER_00Uh okay, I I see, yeah. Now it's more clear. And for someone who is uh never open open cloud, never tried it, basically you install it once, then you talk once, like you talk to one person, and then you ask this person to create all of that. So um Banu, he didn't create one new open cloud. Per subagent, you only created one agent which is Jarvis that created all these mini agents. And that's important to say because for me, before I installed it, I thought that I had to have like one Mac Mini per subagent, for example, you know, one VKS per subagent.
SPEAKER_01One is enough, and uh like like the gateway is uh like only one, but in that gateway you can create many agents, many independent agents. Uh uh like that is possible in OpenCloud.
SPEAKER_00Um, do you give a certain LLM to use per subagent? For example, uh the guy you will write all the content, you give it Sone 3.5 or Sone4, whatever, and then some you will give them a local LLM, or what do you do?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like at like at first I was doing that uh for uh uh tasks that require uh like high intelligence. I gave it Whopus uh for uh like normal tasks I gave it sonet, but then I thought okay, let's uh uh uh like I'll I'll just use Whopus for everything. So now I'm using uh Whopus for everything. If I get rate limits, I will just pause it, and then once the rate limits are uh uh opened, I will just reopen it again. Uh but uh I thought I saw that okay, using Wapus for everything uh, like it's more reliable. The output is so much better than uh like using uh other LLMs for uh different tasks because these these variants they need to talk with each other. Uh so like output of one agent is going to affect uh uh like if someone like if one of the agents said that okay, this is what I found in research. If uh whatever it found in research is not correct, then it will affect the entire uh system. So now I'm using like uh opus for every agent.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it makes sense. It's like if in a company you have A players and then you're like, no, I will put some C players in my team, you don't want that. But what is your consumption?
SPEAKER_01Uh, when did you start and how much did you spend in like with the API or so I have spent uh uh so far maybe 600 uh 600-800? Uh uh like this is uh uh like me and my brother, we both are uh doing it. Uh so like uh I think that's around $600 is around what I spent so far. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um a question that someone will ask, like the naysayer will say something. Uh a lot of people think that it's like only a game right now, you know, you can't really use it. Did it actually help you? Because you are someone who makes money, you know what I mean? You're not just someone who is playing around and creating content, you make money. Did this agent help you create more money already?
SPEAKER_01Uh not exactly uh yet. So I got pulled into uh something else. So now uh like my brother is actually uh taking care of it. So for example, uh like um it it gave us the okay, these are the onboarding sequences you create. So now we are actually creating those onboarding sequences. So it's it's not like marketing, it's not like okay, you do something today and you will get results immediately, right? Uh so this is just uh uh like you are outsourcing marketing to very intelligent AI system, and it's not uh one AI system, it's uh like multiple AI agents uh that are uh like collaborating with each other and they have entire context about your business. It's not like they are pulling something out of their heads, right? They know what you do, they know who your customers are, they know how much activity uh a typical customer would have. And using all that context, it is uh uh creating uh these uh all these uh deliverables. Uh so this is actually useful, but uh, whether you will get uh value on the first day, like it's uh uh it's similar to okay, if you do a marketing campaign, will you immediately get a result or not? Like it will take some time, but now I exactly know. Like previously, we when I was doing uh everything on my own, I don't even know where to start. Like uh uh I don't even like all our customers that we get, uh they are from uh uh uh Google and other uh organic channels. Like I don't even know uh what kind of marketing to do. Now I have like uh so many things uh that I can immediately start working on. Uh like I don't have to think, now I have to choose uh which of these should I do. Previously, I don't even have one pass to do. Uh so yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, now I joined you on that. Like, I think I well, I use this for 24 hours, and I think it's already crazy what it did. Created me a website. Uh now I gave it access to my YouTube studio. So now on YouTube, because I use it, like the main mission for me is the podcast. And I I sent it to the YouTube studio and it gave me already so many insights. And I think for now I'm like super happy about it, and it helped me go further and tell me if I'm wrong. But for me, it pushed me to work more because it feels like I have an employee and I have a team that pushed me to work.
SPEAKER_01Like, yeah, that's the same problem I am facing. Now I have too much work to do. So previously uh I I did not know what to do. Now I have too much to do. And uh like for the last two weeks, right? Like everything it's been so hectic because uh like previously I can just uh uh uh like say to myself that okay, I don't know what to do, that's why I'm not doing anything. Now, like I that excuse won't fly, right? Like I know like I have so many things to do, I don't know which one to do. No, uh so yeah, that's uh issue here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think it's an issue, but I love it because I get like my morning brief and then he gives me tasks to do, like contact five, yeah. Um bootstrap founder, he gave me the list because now he finds like 15 uh founders every single day that I can contact. He analyze uh X for that, and then I can send them a message to have them on the podcast. And now he give me tasks. Like today you have to contact five, so you actually have to work, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. So even uh when I gave it uh access to my email, right? Like what it uh what it said is uh like it went through all the emails. I think I have uh uh like maybe a hundred thousand emails so far for the last three years. Uh it went through everything and it automatically created uh follow-up drafts. Uh like uh you said uh you will uh follow up with this person seven days ago. It's already been seven days. Why did you not send it uh follow-up to them? Uh uh like now I have uh like mini uh drafts that are sitting in my inbox. I have to review them and actually uh do follow-ups. It it it showed me in numbers that okay, this is the amount of money you are losing because you did not do what you said you will do. Uh so it it's it's very blunt in that manner. Uh so so yeah.
SPEAKER_00How did you give access to your email straight away to the main account, or did you give another access?
SPEAKER_01So I asked uh like Jarvis, okay, I I use fast mail uh uh for my business email. Uh how should I give you access in a way that uh you can only read it, you cannot send emails. Uh then it gave me step by step that okay, you need to go here, create an API key, only uh check these two boxes, leave this. If you leave this, then that means I won't be able to send emails, but I can read everything. So I just did what it asked me to do. I went there, created an API key, and gave it access. Then it uh sort of wrote script by itself and then uh yeah, it figured out how to do everything after that.
SPEAKER_00What is the craziest thing that it did so far? Like you really sat on your chair and you were like, What did he do? What happened?
SPEAKER_01Like the entire thing that you are seeing here, like like like none of it is built by me. Like I did not even write a single line of code here. Uh like everything you see here, uh it it like I just described what I wanted. I just described that okay, this is how you you all need to communicate. Like you need to document everything uh, like you need to create this specialist agents. Uh I just talked to it in natural language, and uh it created this entire dashboard. Uh it created uh uh a place uh where I can look at uh everything uh uh they are creating uh uh like this entire thing, right? Like I did not even know something like this can be done by just talking to Telegram. Uh so yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's so scary, but in a good way. Like for me, when I I I I started it, I was like, can you just calm down and not do anything for an hour? I need to for to think, and I went for a run because I was like, I can't take it's too much, like I have to slow it down because I'm scared. You can build anything, it never stops.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, like now the limit is not uh what can AI do, it's like uh uh like how much can you do? Uh uh like so now we became an uh assistant. AI is no longer an assistant uh to us. Like that's the feeling I'm uh getting after I started uh using OpenClaw.
SPEAKER_00Um how do you well you say that you spend like $600 around that? What do you do? You use like credit through the API. Uh do you have a $200 a month uh subscription at Cloud? Like, how do you deal with that?
SPEAKER_01It's a it's a combination of both. Uh, like like I said, like at the start, I was using uh other models. Uh so other models I was using the API ke for Cloud, I use a subscription. Uh my brother also, uh like he is also working, he's also using the subscription. Uh uh, like it's just a combination of uh uh a bunch of things.
SPEAKER_00I see. And did he give you like any uh roadmap? Like that's something something I asked. Like you have the goal to reach 1 million AR with site GPT. Did he give you like a roadmap to actually achieve that goal? And now he's following that in mission control.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, so uh like it asked me like what kind of things uh you want to do, like do you want to run ads or do you want to uh grow organically? If you want to grow organically, uh like do you want to uh do sales or do you want to do uh like uh PLG? Uh like it asked me a bunch of questions. I I I told uh that okay, I only want to do organic uh growth, I only want, I prefer uh this and this marketing channel. Uh so once I said that, then it said that okay, this is the thing uh uh we are going to follow. It's not exactly a roadmap, it's more like uh these are my preferences, these are the things that I want to avoid. Uh based on that, uh it created uh all these uh agents. It it it first um when I gave it access to my chart mogul dashboard, right? It figured out that in September you you got a crazy spike uh in your MRR. And uh in December, uh like that spike was not there. Then I it it went deep into that and figured out that uh okay, the reason was uh people were uh not activating uh uh in December, they were activating a lot uh in uh September. So that's when it said that okay, we need a retention specialist who looks after uh this activation. Then uh it went deep into all the activity emails and then figured out that okay, like yeah, now we figured out the problem is not uh retention, it's activation. People who are signing up to trial, they are not even trying the product completely. So they are uh uh so then it created all these campaigns, like okay, whenever a user comes to your uh dashboard, you need to send this email uh telling them uh okay, these are the steps uh you can follow, like an onboarding sequence. So it it it it it just uh sort of does it uh automatically. But now when I created a dashboard, now I can actually see through its thought process. Like they go back and forth with each other uh saying uh uh okay, one agent will come and ask, uh okay, what is the pricing? Who are the competitors? Uh then it one agent, okay, I'll go research and then come. It it does the research and creates a document saying, okay, like these are the top uh competitors we have, and then uh uh like they just hand over these documents with each other uh to figure out uh uh what to do. Uh like that's uh how it works.
SPEAKER_00I like I like this idea of like mission control because for me now I'm talking to one person and they don't communicate between each other, which means that it needs my input to actually work, or he has recurring tasks, but I has to I have to give them to give it a recurring task, and I feel like with that they can just talk with each other, create new tasks based on what they found. Like someone will search for the competitor, another one will do uh a benchmark, and then they will come together to find like a new strategy you can use for your social media, for example, and they do that together, right?
SPEAKER_01Correct, correct, exactly.
SPEAKER_00This is crazy. One thing I want to say is that a lot of people are afraid about like the security side of it, and I think for me, again, I'm not an expert, but you should treat it like you would hire an employee. And an employee usually you give him a computer and then you give him an email address, and then with this email address, you give him access to uh, for example, your Stripe account, but he can't take the money from the Stripe account, he can analyze it. Uh, same with your email. Like, I think you really have to treat it like an employee and not give it access to everything, but just give, like, for example, my YouTube studio. I gave him access with his email address to my YouTube studio, he can see everything, but he can't publish anything. Like there is no way he can publish anything. Same for X account, for example, you can probably give it access to uh Super X or Type 3 or whatever, so it can publish, but it cannot follow people or it cannot interact. And I think that's for me the way to do it. Is there anything else of that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Like at least at the start, right? Like, for example, uh, like I did not even give access to my codebase at the start. Uh, then I gave it access to read my code base, then I gave it access to uh like uh make changes, but not to my main branch. I gave uh gave it access to create uh other branches, like so that I can review the PR whether it's doing correctly or not. So I think uh you we have to take this step by step, just like how you build trust in an employee, right? Uh uh like you will know what it can do, what it can't do. Like, for example, uh sometimes I ask uh, okay, a customer is facing this bug. Uh, can you try and see what it is? Then it waits for one minute and then comes back to me. Okay, I fixed and deployed the change. Uh so it's like you really have to know like what it's capable of and put in uh uh locks uh in place uh uh so that uh it won't do something uh uh that you don't want it to do. Like, for example, if it's my personal project, for example, take uh mission control, right? Uh not mission control HQ that I'm creating as a SaaS, my personal one. Uh when I was doing it, I gave it access to the entire code base. I just uh like it created on its own uh uh uh like uh it deployed everything because it's just one person uh SaaS. There is no one dependent on me. If it if it if anything happens, I can just uh like rebuild it. Uh but uh I won't uh do the same uh for site GPT, for example. I won't give it because uh like uh like around like 160 users are actually using it every day, like uh it's it's critical. So so you need to treat it uh as an employer. I think that's like a very good uh description of like how we can go about it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because it can go fast. For example, I asked him to publish a uh post on X. He published the post, and then I talked like a human. I say, Oh, next time maybe write this. And the next message was like, Oh, I deleted it, I rewrited it. So imagine if you do that with your website, you know, live, you will delete a page, and like you have to be really careful with that. So yeah, I totally agree with it. What is your your vision with uh with this open cloud? Like, because this is only the beginning. Like, what do you see coming with this?
SPEAKER_01So uh like I think uh the the pitch of uh OpenCloud is it's it's your uh personal AI assistant that can do anything, right? Like that's what uh it started as. But uh what I am using it as is like even I started using it as a personal AI assistant, but now I completely turned it into like a marketing assistant. Uh so now I'm using it actually for growing my business. I'm no longer using it like a personal AI assistant. So now it's like um uh uh I don't have to hire anymore. Like that's the one thing uh that that is uh very clear to me now that uh like previously I I was under the assumption that okay, everyone is hiring, that's how they are growing uh their business. Maybe the reason I'm not growing as fast enough is uh because I'm uh like hesitant uh to hire someone else and manage them. Now I know for sure that I don't have to do it. Like I know that uh with uh these AI agents, like that that that no that thing no longer even comes to my mind, that thought. Because it can do anything and everything. Uh you just have to know what to give or like how to use it and how to operate it. Uh so like that's the realization I got to, and that's uh yeah.
SPEAKER_00I I totally agree. I have this screenshot of it, like I think it shocked me. It's like I was talking a lot about what I wanted to do and everything, and he answered like the whole list of what we should do, and he said, So the real bottleneck is you, you are one person doing everything, the format works, the content works, the guest works, you just need more output without more of your time. That's where I should actually be helping. And then he gave me the list of what he he can help me with, and I thought like that's really a co-founder, more than um an assistant, actually. Like, I really feel like yeah, it's a co-founder who will create new employees to actually like yeah, help you with your business. So, yeah, I totally agree with that. I I think also something else, and you will tell me if you agree with it, is like it's kind of scary that I feel soon he will be almost better than you at managing your business.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Like I don't even remember uh talking to a person. And it it told me that okay, 14 days ago you said uh you would follow up with them and uh figure out if if they got approval uh uh to use the SaaS in their uh business. Like I even completely forgot about it. It's and it said that okay, this person said uh they would upgrade after one month once everything goes well. From from their activity, it is clear that uh like everything is going super well for them. So why don't you send an email to them asking if they would upgrade? Like it's like um I'm not I started uh like forgetting things because uh like why do why do I have to remember it? It remembers uh things for me now. Like that, like without knowing, like that kind of started happening with me. Now it's like every day I I'll open uh Jarvis and ask uh, okay, what should I do today? Uh uh what should I do today? Like who should I send follow-ups to? Uh like what are the calls I have today? Uh like do I have to prep for any of these calls, or I can just uh go to these calls? Like it will give me uh like a complete list. Okay, this is what uh you have to do. Like uh you said uh you would deliver it in two days. Uh uh, where are you? Like, how are you doing right now? Like it it like it if it's like uh I'm just doing what it is saying to do now because I have already set it up. Uh uh uh I I I gave it all the context it needs, I gave it everything that it needs uh to understand uh my entire business. Uh now I'm just doing what it says uh me to do.
SPEAKER_00How excited are you about it?
SPEAKER_01Very, very excited. So I was a skeptic at the start. Like, okay, people are just saying that uh it's uh it's good, but uh like it's just an another uh yeah. Right, like it's not even using a new LLM. It's it's using the LLMs that are already there. It doesn't have a new brain. It's just that how are you using that brain? What's the framework? Uh, like that is the thing that uh changed here. So at first I was very skeptic, but once I started using it, once I saw like how capable it is, like it completely changed everything. Now I know that I will uh like get to that uh 1 million. Like it's not an uh if I will go there, now it's more like okay, when will I uh get there? Uh so yeah, like it it changed uh meaning anything.
SPEAKER_00I totally agree. I feel like again, I feel like you take it as a personal assistant and then it becomes your co-founder, and then I feel like in a few months you will become the founder and I will work for it. And I feel like it gives me a structure, like really a clear structure of what I have to do in the next 90 days and the next year to actually achieve that goal, giving give me uh daily tasks that are not crazy. Like people say, you know, AI hallucinate and everything. They are not crazy. Like I've been doing online business for 10 years now, and like what he gives me are totally good. This is all good advice is so yeah, it's uh I think on top of that is like also um a good investment for you to give your structure and um and a kick in the butt to actually get to work. Like that's what I feel about it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I haven't like worked this much uh like over uh for the past two weeks, uh like ever since I started using it. Like previously, if I have to code something, I have to come to my uh like desk and uh actually open my editor, uh, write something, figure out how to do it. Like it it takes a good uh amount of uh headspace to do it. Now I'll just uh be in my bed and just chat with it. Uh and then uh like all I have to do is okay, review it and then publish it. Now there is like no excuse that okay, you have to go to the desk and then uh do it. Uh like you have to know uh like what marketing activities to do, you have to figure out uh like how many emails you need to send, who to send it to. Uh like you like all the excuses are gone now. Uh, if you don't do something now, it's it's more like you don't want to do, it's not like you don't know what to do. Uh uh so now I'm like uh yeah, I am more working now for the last uh uh two weeks.
SPEAKER_00I will share something that I I I thought about, and uh as you are into it, I think you will understand. There is also something that crossed my mind. I have a Mac Mini right now with this intelligence in it, and now I'm thinking, imagine you put that in a robot. Like this will become insane. So I thought about the physical part of that is that now this hardware I can put it in a robot with arm and legs, and I can telegram it when he's at home. Oh, did I close the window? Oh, I will check, like you know, and with the webcam or whatever. Like, this is a near future. The second thing was like I would love to spend my entire days doing that and buy Mac minis just for experiences, like a mini lab. For example, give one um a Gmail address and say, like, whatever you do, create a business that makes money and continue doing it until you make money. You can create a strap account, you can use my LLC if you want, you know, like and create and give just like one task, check everything on X, check everything on YouTube, check all the content on the make money, create a business to make money. And usually, you know, there was always this like meme of uh oh make a make a business, a billion-dollar business, make no mistake. I feel like now it's possible.
SPEAKER_01It's no longer a meme.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's not like I'm sure it can do something good, like definitely. So, yeah, that's your IQ uh big salt. What do you think about it?
unknownYeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with I agree a hundred percent. Um so yeah, like it's it's it changed uh changed many things. Uh uh, like uh I don't even know how to like describe it. Uh like like someone else described it in the same way to me. I did not believe them at the start. Uh so like until I actually tried it, that's when I knew like what uh like it's it's an AI that can update itself. Like if it sees that it can't do something, it will update itself and then may like it will start doing that. If it if it uh if it doesn't know something, it will actually uh figure it out and then do it. Uh it won't say something like, oh, I don't, I can't do this. Um yeah, like uh like there is not even a single task where you can say that okay, this this is something uh uh like it it can't do. It it will figure it out if there are no actual physical uh limitations.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. Like this morning when I was working my dog and I was talking to it, create a notion, and it was like, I can't. I say, Of course you have a Gmail account, you can. And then he actually went on notion, created an account, took the the password or the the code they sent in the email, like creating the notion. And uh yeah, I think that's uh that's totally insane.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so even when I like I gave like I sent a voice message, uh I forgot that it can't read uh uh uh like voices. Uh so then it went uh went to web downloaded a library, like a package uh which can actually transcribe my voice into text, and then it responded back in voice. So when it does it, like it's it's like it's it's now talking to me. So so it yeah, there is uh like there is nothing that it can't do. Like if you like if you give it enough uh uh like enough uh uh ability to like okay, I I just said that okay, be proactive. Uh uh like do whatever uh you want to do uh within the like a constraints I gave it. Uh but be proactive, don't keep asking me, okay, should I do it, should I do it or not? Uh then uh like yeah, from then onwards, uh like uh like just uh this incident, right? It actually downloaded something, it transferred my audio, it created an audio and then sent it as an audio clip back to me. Uh yeah, it's it's it's crazy.
SPEAKER_00You know what we're gonna do, Banu? We will have the same podcast in one month. Let's do that. I want to know you know where you are now, what it built. Uh oh, Jarvis evolved. Like, I want to have you in one month. Uh, that was a special episode, you know. Like usually we go through all the story of the of the guests. I think your story is amazing, and I invite anyone to follow you on X. I will have the the link below. You build amazing SaaS, amazing startup, you continue building it. Uh, I will put the link also to mission control HQ.ai uh in the description if you want to give it a try. And yeah, Banu, let's do that. Um do that a monthly meeting and talk about it because I'm so excited about this technology, and you are as well, and we are both building on it. So, yeah. Any last word you want to do to say?
SPEAKER_01Um, no, no, I think I don't think I'm I'm good. Uh like this has been a great uh conversation. I think you are just starting out. Uh you haven't even seen like all the capabilities that it has, but uh yeah, in in one month you'll be able to see how how it is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, amazing. Well, Banu, have a good day and see you in one year. Yeah, have a good day.
unknownBye.